kyupol wrote:Things have been very stressful for me over the past few days. Its the kind that would put tears on your eyes and then you stop crying later on... but then after awhile or when something out of the blue reminds you of that stressful event, you suddenly start getting upset and crying again.
I cry because I feel powerless and there's nothing I can do about it.
And then I suddenly remember a debate I had a long time ago with a Christian on another forum. He basically told me (the jist of a 10 paragraph long incoherent rambling with the word "God" in almost every sentence as well as random bible verses that arent even related):
"Once God has knocked you down HARD enough, you will realize that there is a GOD. And this GOD is a BEING and NOT an energy like what you claim God is. You havent:
- had your father taken from you at age 13... therefore making me grow up into a man at age 13
- been raped
- been bulled throughout childhood
- felt like you have nowhere to run
- had a gun pulled on you
- been shot multiple times
- been beaten up by cops
- been satanically ritually abused
- had demons (LITERALLY) attack you
- had your girlfriend leave you right at your lowest point in life
- etc. etc. etc.
But you get the point. He's basically told me that only when you know pain will you know that there is a God.
I know what pain is. But I admit I havent been through all that he said and he's got more "battle scars" and that is what led him to believe there is a God and turn to the Bible and accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and his Savior.
I dunno what to say but at this point I really feel like asking God for help. But at the same time I am reluctant because I have this deeply ingrained belief that only the weak-minded look to a "God" for help. And I sure as hell have seen alot of people who seem to have been abandoned by "God".
So anyway... do you agree with this statement:
Only when you know pain, will you know God.
I am a Christian, and I think I speak for the majority of Christians when I say EVERYTHING THIS GUY SAID IS COMPLETE CRAP. This guy was under the assumption that Jesus was putting him through that because he did something wrong, as punishment to get him to repent. That Jesus was literally trying to scare the hell out of him. In actuality, there is no way to know why it happened, and it doesn't matter.
Now, the question you should ask yourself is "Why do bad things happen to good people?". Answer: they don't. Because there isn't a single 'good person' that has ever lived. Definitly not me, and not you. Not mother freakin Teresa.
See, the Bible says that whoever sins (screws up) falls short of the glory of God, and is condemned to hell. Saying that you're a good person is like Hitler comparing himself to Stalin. You can just hear him: "I only killed a 60 million people, but STALIN! Stalin killed over a hundred million!" Does this not make sense? Well, it shouldn't. Because we, with our imperfect human minds cannot ever understand it completely. That's why it's called faith.
2000 years ago, Jesus died on the cross for all your sins. This means you are forgiven, for any sins you might commit in life ever.
See, some people think that a loving god would never condemn anybody to hell. And that's true. But because He's perfect, he gives you the opportunity to reject Him. He gave Adam and Eve the apple. And he gives us this life so that we can reject heaven if we choose.
Does this not make sense? Well, it shouldn't. Because we, with our imperfect human minds cannot ever understand it completely. That's why it's called faith.
kyupol wrote:I dunno what to say but at this point I really feel like asking God for help. But at the same time I am reluctant because I have this deeply ingrained belief that only the weak-minded look to a "God" for help. And I sure as hell have seen alot of people who seem to have been abandoned by "God".
Why are you reluctant to ask Jesus for help? He's been helping you all your life. From the moment you didn't die as you were being born, to your parents being able to feed you, to giving you clothes, love, shelter, and having an entire PLANET to live in! God created the very amino acids that make up your DNA, He created the property of electromagnetic forces that connects your neurons to enable you to think, to creating the KREBS cycle so that you could breathe. There isn't a single person ever who hasn't been helped by God. Don't be afraid to ask Jesus for help. This isn't a test to see if you can make it without Him.
Also, Jesus never abandons anyone. Why would anyone think that? God never promised that life would be easy. He won't take away free will from people who make your life suck. He won't force perfection on you by making you and your life perfect. And remember, no matter how bad it gets, it could always be worse. America could be in nuclear ruins, and you could be the only captives of radical muslim terrorists.
If you ask God for help, He makes no guarantees your life will be better in circumstance, but you will be better equipped to deal with it because JESUS WILL BE WITH YOU. You can RELY on Him. If you rely on someone else, they can A) Change, B) Die, C) Let you down, D) Not be there when you need them, E) Not give you the right advice, etc. Jesus only died once, and He's not going to do it again.
I'm praying for you.