Apologies for the repetitive posts, I am attempting to condense them.
Cave wrote:Dude. I am NOT Catholic. I am nowhere close to Catholic. I am AGNOSTIC. (As I stated already) I am not defending "my" beliefs. I am saying that how you talked about another religion was ignorant and hateful.
Compare what you said to Molly's post which actually wasn't just a sweeping generalization of one religion and even provided evidence.
You said in another post you want respect when talking about religion. You need to show respect first in order to get it back.
Did I say I want respect? Let me clarify: no one deserves
respect. But a decent person will generally give it. There are fair exceptions, however.
Molly-sama wrote:But this is not the point of the thread, nor does it help the OP. Again, apologies for the derailment, and should you wish to argue further with me or with Cave, please let's just keep it to a PM, eh?
Pretty sure it was everyone else who jumped on my post and could not let the OP take it at face value. She has a brain of her own, it is her discretion what she thinks about my post. I agree with you that this has gone too far but I can't exactly say that's my fault. I stated a view people didn't like and they felt it was worth debating, which it is not. Not here.
Ultima527 wrote:My question is, are you really loving that person? Or are you just indulging what you think you can't control?
Why do you seem so eager to assume it must be the latter?
I agree with this. I don't get why religious (or rather, just anyone not comfortable with homosexuality) people think that homosexuality is an "urge" anymore than being straight is. Can anyone explain that? u.u
Ultima527 wrote:They need to be willing to believe that God would have a reason for saying that homosexuality is wrong, even if my theories on the matter are incorrect.
Why are you so certain on defending the idea that God thinks homosexuality is wrong? Seems like you're trying to push what YOU think God is thinking. If your theories have a possibility of being incorrect, you also have a possibility of this theory that 'God thinks homosexuality is wrong' being incorrect as well. I have friends who are homosexual, and religious, and never once thought God would think this way about them.
I agree with this position as well. Hebrew scholars will tell you that the passage translated, which calls homosexuality an "abomination," is NOT referring to sin as much as it refers to social deviancy. And not all deviancy is sin. It just means it deviates from the norm. That does not include, however, where God states that "spilled semen" is sin (i.e. masturbation).
Except that atheism is not learned/taught. It is a lack of a belief, not a belief in itself. The fact is that atheism is not about "making a choice," it is about not participating in faith. You don't have to be smart to reject religion. You also don't have to be smart to be part of religion.
Couldn't disagree with this any more if I tried.
To take the position of Atheism, the belief that there is no creator, doesn't have much merit without any understanding of Science, or faith.
I'm an Atheist because I'm able to back that position up when confronted by the questions of a believer, and in order to answer those questions, I have to know my shit when it comes to science.
If you didn't have any prerequisite knowledge of science and faith to back your position up and answer questions, then your belief is flawed.
Atheism is not "certainty that there is no God". That is "strong atheism". Atheism in itself is the LACK of a belief in a deity, not so much saying "there can't be one." I am an agnostic atheist, meaning that I make the KNOWLEDGE claim that I CONCEDE that I cannot disprove God, but y stating that I am an atheist, that says that I HIGHLY doubt God" existence. I don't HAVE to justify that feeling with science, even though I do. I can say that not everyone is an atheist for the same reason and you are free to have your reason but understand that it does not apply to everyone.
Being an atheist does not require some sort of intellectual/knowledgeable "prerequisite". That would be the elitist mode of much of the atheist community. Plenty of Buddhists, for instance, are atheists. Most of them are NOT scientists, they are philosophers. They rely on reason more than evidence.@ Everyone: This all being said, this debate is not fit here. My views did not prompt a debate. Differing views should be allowed here without people arguing amongst themselves about someone else's advice. It gives the OP a choice to look over different points of view, "extreme" as they may be.
If a religious person can preach in this thread, I should be able to do the opposite. It's up to her to decide how that makes her feel. She has a CHOICE, don't make it for her. She has every right to have a relationship with God (and I did not say otherwise) but I DO feel that many Catholic groups are unreasonably extreme, I am speaking from MY experiences, so yours are not very relevant... Her experiences (as she describes them) sound more similar to mine, and I think that's what matters here. So you were part of a GREAT Catholic community. It doesn't sound like she is, from her description.