Chronological Fan List

[Imi]

Damn I knew there was a bad point I was forgetting. I agree that for a lot of people getting fans is this crazy obsession and there is a worry in my mind that people will freak out if someone deletes their comic as a fav. However, I still think that the positives outweigh the negatives. I don't like to condone reactive thinking, but in this case it may be best to try it, and if you get an influx of harassment PMs then you know it was bad. I mean, if I was so obsessed with scolding someone who removed me as a favourite I'm sure I would simple obsessively figure it out anyway.

I didn't even think of it like that Dx Clearly, my mistrust in people isn't as deep as I thought it was! I do understand how this would be a problem, and it's certainly difficult (if impossible) to counter against it, but hopefully if there was some sort of trial run, at some point anyway, we wouldn't see it happening on a...violent scale.

If it does become a problem, you could just go with Trenton's idea of an initial alert when someone adds the comic, without then adding the name to a master list of fans that can also be checked?

[P!K]

o x o; I do not post often on the forums but I really liked this idea so I'd like to say a word or two...

Harassment is against the rules of Smackjeeves, right...? If anyone is dumb enough to attack someone for deleting their comic as a fave, they should be punished anyway in my opinion XD I think Trenton put it nicely that obsessive people would conduct obsessive behavior regardless of if it is a facile act or not... I think it's unrealistic to reject an idea that has pretty positive response based on the worst possible scenario.

I think -chronological- order to this list might help these obsessive people to attack an individual much easier than if it was just a master list. I think it'd be better if it was something like alphabetical because even though it would still be easy for these individuals to determine who has deleted their comics, I think it would lessen their anger or frustration because it would not reveal certain information. For example, I for once have deleted comics in the past not because I suddenly hate the story or the art but just because I thought the comic is no longer active (which unfortunately is a common phenomenon in webcomic community, not just SJ). But when I hear that it's back up again, I most likely would add the comic again. However, if the list was chronological, it would give away that I've deleted the comic before and even if you had it then, that might still upset them if we are really going to concern ourselves with level of people's obsession and anger... Alphabetical also have the advantage of people's memory. Unless they have a screen shot of each time they gain a fan (which really would be extreme) or have photographic memory, it's not always easy to recognize one name missing from series of alphabets. But if the list was chronological, it's easier to recall people that recently added your comic, who decide they don't really like where you're going and deletes you the next week.

I really do think it's worrying a bit too much that authors would go attack people for deleting their comics... It's discouraging for us, sure, but I don't think it justifies a personal attack on a fellow member of the community. The person can easily report "Hey this so and so PMed me angrily that I deleted their comic!" or "Hey this so and so would not stop PMing me to read their comic again!" I suppose reporting is not the ultimate solution to the problem since I do understand it's not machines that deals with such reports and it will cause burden to the staff but I' would be really shocked if the need to take action to reprimand these individuals is a frequent occurrence.

If the concern is to not promote harassment and to protect all members of the community, I think email alerts, like when you get a comment, is worse than having a master list. Emails can easily be managed and saved (especially since alerts like that are not going to be very big in its file size). If you wanted to keep track of every person that has ever added you with a master's list, you would either have to write down all of the names yourself, take screenshot, have a photographic memory, or copy/paste on a word processor and then figure who added when and you'll have to do the process all over again when someone deletes you. (This is assuming we're not going with the chronological suggestion)

@A@ I... hope I made sense...

[Pyroman]

In an unfortunately long way you have essentially summed up what people were saying, but I think the idea of an alphabetical list is pretty pointless. It would be just as useless as the current randomised list anyway.
Basically we want a list to see who has newly added us, so we can check out their comics. The randomised list messes this up because if I go and look at everyone today, I won't remember them the next time a fan is added, and it would take ages to trawl through the comics again to see which one is new.
As I mentioned, I understand the worry that this may bring about a few little hissy fits when someone removes a favourite, but honestly I think people are mature enough to get over it. If someone does some major harassing, then as has been said that person would be reported for harassment, but I don't see this happening very often.
As far as I know the idea is both easy to put in and take away, so we add it, and then if it goes a awry we remove it, right? I see no harm in adding a feature a lot of us want to see, rather than leaving it as "maybe someone will get annoyed by this."

Ugh.
Ignore this post I sound like an asshole.

[P!K]

I don't think alphabetical list is -pointless-... As of right now, we don't have -any- list that shows all of our fans of the comic so it'd still be something... And I think the idea wasn't necessary to keep track of every single person that may have added us but have a resource that we can grow as a community and reach out to other fellow authors by checking out their work in return...

I didn't suggest randomized for the reason you've mentioned, it would be confusing and actually pointless. Alphabetical would be simple for us to look at but I thought it was better a choice over chronological list because of the repetitive concern that were raised for harassment and obsessive individuals possibly stalking or attacking their former fans...

I didn't get the impression that there was a definite decision to move forward with this "trial period" and I apologize if that was a consensus I did not understand.

._.; I do apologize also for my mannerism of speech... I do try to make it concise as possible but English isn't my native language... *bow bow*

[Pyroman]

Relax dude, I not trying to get you. The randomised list I was referring to was the current stunted list of randomised fans we have. I get what you were saying with the alphabetical, and I agree, anything that shows all of our fans would be great, but having a chronological list is just easier when finding new fans. Sure Alphabetical is fine in the beginning, but even with a meager amount of fans it can be hard to find a name you don't recognise.
In the end it's up to what everyone wants. A list of all fans I think is a given, everybody wants that, but whether it is alphabetical or chronological is really up for debate. Alphabetical means not having to worry about fans being out of order so you know where you got up to, Chronological if you want to see all of your fans comics, I guess.
However, if I remove my fav from a comic with chronological fav order, unless I was the latest to add it they won't be able to tell. Their fans will go down by one, and unless they have a damn good memory or screenshots or whatever, they won't know anyway. The more I think about it, the more I think I was wrong to suggest it would even happen. How could they tell? Ugh I should have thought about this more.

Anyway, I really have no preference here. I generally only look at the comics of people who comment, so Alphabetical or Chronological? Alphabetical means it's in order, but you won't be able to tell who is new, Chronological means it's out of one type of order, but you can see who was the latest to add your comic.

Oh and no the trial period hasn't been decided on, still up for discussion this is. I apologize if that came across as definitive.

[trenton_dawn]

Out of curiosity, is it too far-fetched to just have some faith in the members of SJ not to engage in any harassing behavior? My experience with the community has been almost exclusively positive.

[Pyroman]

As I tried to cover in my 'more-thought-out-than-the-previous' post, I can't see how it could be an issue. The only way for someone to know if I have removed them is if they have very few fans (and the author knows them by heart) or I was the latest to add it as a comic (and the author remembers). Otherwise it's essentially like when you lose a fan now. You don't remember the list so you'd have no idea who left, right?